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Welcome to another episode of Rough Talk VR, a weekly podcast with in-depth game reviews, exclusive developer interviews and the latest metaquest and virtual reality news.
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We join our hosts, the father-son team of D Scruffles and Stratus, today as they spend another episode breaking down and discussing the world of virtual reality.
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Hey, welcome to this episode of Rough Talkr coming out to you with another edition of vr news, and it's a loaded one, like always, but we'll try to get through it in a timely matter because, as of this moment, we have probably selfishly for my own enjoyment one of our most anticipated interviews ever coming up this week.
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This is a a good one and again, this is selfishly for us.
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It's not like it's not Palmer Luckey, it's not Zuck.
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Not somebody from Meta or anything like this, but this is a developer that we've wanted to talk to for so long, and we're going to finally have a chance to do that.
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Theoretically.
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I'm just trying to.
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I'm just going to say I can't find any interviews with this person anywhere.
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No and yes, there's a lot of questions that I think both of us want to ask.
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I think the if we could have let people know we just don't want to jinx it.
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The list of questions would be yeah, it's not in a bag, but Holy moly.
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I might be wrapping up today, editing this part out when it's all done, because it didn't come come to be, but if you're hearing this, that means on Wednesday or Thursday we have a great, we got a good treat for you on Wednesday, yeah later this week.
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So we'll try to stay on topic.
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Get through the news, because there was a lot of stuff this last week.
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One of the highlights too, probably the big thing that I got to get off to start the show Batman Arkham Shadow was announced.
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The next game in the Arkham Asylum series Batman man, Batman VR.
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It's coming exclusively to the Quest 3.
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So not Quest 2 supported at all.
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This is probably the biggest title coming to Quest 3 exclusively, besides Alien VR that was announced last week.
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There's going to be more details about this game coming out at the summer game fest on june 7th, but it's supposed to launch late 2024.
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It's going to be developed by camouflage, again the same studio that made iron man vr, which was fun as hell.
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Yeah, it gives me complete faith in this game well, dude, when we played iron man, we had mentioned like there's no reason that they can't do batman or spider-man, because I felt like iron man when I played iron man.
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So I have full anticipation of feeling like batman when, when I'm playing batman in vr yeah, I'm excited as hell, dude and me and you are results based.
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So there's studios that you know, like resolution, fast travel, combat waffle publishers, like beyond frames.
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Uh, I mentioned fast travel as well, shell games, yeah, you can mention them twice, you know shell games.
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It's like their library.
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What they've done in the past is so good that when they announce something, I instantly have faith, and that's how I feel about camouflage with this game just based off of iron man vr.
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It's like they know how to do a polished vr experience.
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Iron man was really good, replayable, it felt so good flying through.
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Well, flying was the best.
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I hate to say a little bit short, but it I mean it was a bit on the shorter side but like, still wicked, enjoyable experience that holds up today.
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No nausea with flying around like that or like motion sickness.
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You felt like it was, it was you, because it was so natural.
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I think that's what kind of separated or helped if there was, but I I had no issues with flying no, no, me neither.
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So batman arkham shadow.
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Coming exclusively to the quest 3 made by camouflage, a meta owned studio, later this year, late 2024, with more details coming at the summer game fest.
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It will not june 7th either.
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No, that's going to be so heavily promoted.
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Remember how we speculated that a couple months ago.
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I was like, oh, they'll probably extend, ask our drafts to the coming with the quest three forever.
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And you're like, I don't know, they'll probably rotate it with a different in-house game after a couple years, or something like that.
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I wouldn't be surprised if this is the next one to replace asgard's wrath in that that category from a marketing standpoint, a million percent, because there are, there are people this is pure speculation.
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There are people who, like that's their jam, they love the comic thing and it's like it doesn't exist right now on standalone.
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So you, you tap into that, that nerve in that market and go look, we'll give it to you for free.
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Well, not free if you buy a quest between this period.
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Yeah, if you buy a quest 3 between this period, it would come with this game.
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But I'll go ahead I was gonna say I think you were right when you said it a couple months.
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I think that's the better marketing plan.
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To switch it out as new games come out, let it let it run its course and they did great with um ask our draft too.
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Yeah so it's like, but this one would?
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It'd be genius.
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Well, ask our draft too, and then I'm sure um inferno from discord will buy another headset, because he's already got like three, since he never deletes games just buys more headsets.
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So listen to that advice, folks.
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When your headset gets full, that just means it's time for a new headset that's what one member in our discord does huge shout out to inferno on that gangster dude.
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Well, doesn't he legit have like three threes now?
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Probably gonna have four when batman comes out.
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I love the recurring characters in our discord.
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How, how about props to chadwick?
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Looks like he might be getting access into grim.
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It looks like as well, too, might be, yeah, he did, he's in he's having a blast.
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It looks like he's in.
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He's a tester, but batman vr coming, you know, late 2024 from camouflageouflage, which interesting is.
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Should be fun.
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Back when Meta was getting investigated by the FTC, which was dismissed.
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When are they not?
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Because the claim from the FTC was that they had, like, some sort of monopoly over the VR game market, which was a little bit of a ridiculous claim to say the least, when you're that new to the VR market and there's been.
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You know I'm not knocking steam because I I love steam but, they've been in the vr market.
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One could have made the argument before meta that well, they dominate the game market yeah, it's there's only two that I really know of, and that's steam and freaking meta of the things to investigate metaphor their monopoly in the VR market quote, unquote was not the thing to be wasting time on.
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But the FTC, because you know they sometimes they make mistakes.
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Quite frequently when they investigate these large tech companies, they accidentally leak details in the documents that really should not be leaked.
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And in those ftc documents that came out, geez, I think two years ago at this point it mentioned that camouflage was working on a batman vr game.
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But we know how development cycles go things change, things can get canned yeah, everything like that.
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So it's so correct but we haven't heard anything about that.
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There is no grand theft auto right now splinter cell was in the works.
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At the same time assassin's creed vr was in the works and ubisoft made the decision to can splinter cell vr and finish up assassin's creed nexus, which I still think splinter cell vr would be so good, but that's a different conversation.
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It'd be good for sure.
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So just because it came out two years ago that this was in the works doesn't mean that it was ever actually going to come out, but it's so cool to see.
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You know, here we are two years later, ready to launch at the end of this year, which sounds believable if two years ago it came out that it was in the works, you know.
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So it's probably pretty late into the development cycle.
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And here's the thing about Asgard's Wr 2 versus batman vr with coming with headsets.
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Asgard's wrath 2 coming with the quest 3 is really cool for me and you as existing vr users.
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But batman is such a big ip yeah like it's.
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It's non-comparable that's why it's a brilliant.
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It would make sense to bundle it for new headsets, because it's a market that I hope they do.
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That, you know, with the exception of Iron man, it just does not exist.
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I hope they do that because it would be.
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I know my friends in real life like they're huge Batman fans.
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I'm pretty confident at least one of them would go out and get a headset.
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That would be the thing that made them, you know, push them over.
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It's Batman dude, it's going to be an expensive game, so you're going to look at your $50 or $60 game.
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Asgard Giraffe 2 was priced at $60.
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I'm going to guess the same for Batman VR.
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That's just a guess, though I'm going to go $40.
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, $39.99.
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And it's a continuation.
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It's not just a Batman VR game, it's a continuation of of the Arkham Asylum series.
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So there were some flat screen gamers getting a little salty that the next Arkham game is going to be in VR.
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But well, look how that worked out, for Half-Life Went great, so I have complete faith in Camouflage to make an amazing Batman game.
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And then another game was announced last week.
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This one kind of caught me by surprise Rival Stars Horse Racing.
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Rival stars horse racing a horse racing game coming to vr.
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It's going to come to the quest steam and apple vision pro in the q4 of 2024.
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You know, it caught me off guard.
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But then I'm watching the trailer and the way that they're they're using the arms.
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I'm like okay, you know what?
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maybe this will work a little bit better in vr than I thought they work even better if you put like fucking big, thick ropes in your hand.
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When you did it too, you'd get that serious that full immersion, like like the battle ropes.
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You know those battle ropes.
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That's exactly what I'm thinking blow your shoulders and arms, but I mean shit increase your core right, tie your controller around it.
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You know you could, though, or the apple vision pro is no controllers.
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That means that they're relying completely off hand tracking.
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You really could, which makes me wonder if they'll bring that hand tracking to the quest, I mean.
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Looks like you can brush the room and maintain it.
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Yeah, they gotta give you sun to do it In between the races.
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Yeah, you know, love your horse.
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Is there gonna be a career mode of the racing?
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If there is, I'm in.
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It sounds silly but like I'll go through like a tournament campaign, I'll tell you what would make it the ultimate experience would be as if it was, if it was open world in the sense that you know they could have a server with 50 people in there.
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You sign up to race and then people who are spectating in the stands can bet on the races.
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Oh, have in-game currency correct.
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And then you buy upgrades for your horse your stable horse, yeah buy a new horse, faster horse, yeah, oh man.
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So there's potential I mean the gameplay.
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I don't think they're gonna go that route, but it wouldn't be.
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Wouldn't be the worst this is a game where the gameplay of it's going to be one thing, but I think the make it or break it is going to be how feature depth it is with the game modes and stuff like that.
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But let's see, I mean I'm kind of tempted to try it yeah, they've got me curious enough that I'll.
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I'll definitely check it out.
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You know, remains to be seen if I'll recommend it or anything like that, or how much I'll enjoy it, but it's innovative.
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I don't think that there's another horse racing game like this in VR.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but at least they're doing something innovative.
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But if it does rely on just the controllers doing this, maybe just hand tracking too.
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I got some hacks that just annihilate that I think it's going to be hand tracking too, because if it's hand tracking on the Apple Vision Pro, why would you not bring that to the Quest 3?
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Yeah, I get it.
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So if they got to do it anyway better yeah, that would be really.
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Then it would be even easier to do your battle ropes because you don't have to do anything with the controllers.
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You know, play this game for six months, it was like look like matt sarah or just a wicked big arms that's awesome, so that one kind of caught me off guard and then one that was I was seeing talked about a bit in our discord from shoes, one of the mods in our Discord long-time listener, discord Patreon supporter just awesome listener of the show.
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He's actually popped on a couple times on air for games with Shoes.
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You know whatever the name that we haven't ironed out officially is yet, but I saw him commenting on this one Agent Simulator.
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It's a game that was on side quest as a demo.
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Now it's out on app lab.
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It's like a first person shooter ask game that puts you into the role of a secret agent and I'll be honest, I haven't checked it out.
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I haven't played it yet, but just hearing the positive reviews from shoes and others in our discord, I'm definitely curious to check it out.
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So be a secret agent in vr.
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it's out now on app lab hello, I'm a secret agent, vr anytime I play I expect you to die.
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So now we're getting to the combat side of that too.
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Just putting it out there, speaking of my when's the next one coming out?
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right, hopefully, hopefully, after Silent Slayer, although as much as we want, I Expect you to Die.
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4, there's a huge crowd of people that want Until you Fall 2.
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I hear it asked for all the time.
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I hear you.
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They did a great job with that sword fighting-wise, I think after the release of I Expect you to Die 4, it makes total sense to really push hard on Until.
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You Fall 2.
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Until you Fall 2.
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It's so hard for me to not say After the Fall or if I'm talking about After the Fall, accidentally say Until you Fall.
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I mess those two up, sometimes Understandably right.
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Elvin Table Tennis dude, yeah, let's not go there.
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So Agent Simulator I haven't checked it out yet, but positive recommendations from people, yeah, I trust.
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I trust there's certain people if they say the game's good, it's good because I've I've gone out of my way to buy shit, that shoes is posted because you know.
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Sometimes he'll post like a block of games that he's tried and they're like oh, these are fun, I want it.
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Did we get um the realities game because of shoes?
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I feel like it.
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Maybe I have this feeling we did, but his track record is really good, so typically if you see him post it it's worth getting.
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Yeah, that was a great game too.
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They're doing, uh, an update to it.
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They're bringing a little bit more content to the last puzzle.
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Okay, good, they're calling it the final update too, which makes me so sad, because to me that's a game that could live indefinitely.
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Dude, they crushed it, right they're.
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They're another one that should go.
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Okay, we're on to something.
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It works well, now they're going to be on the official store in however many months multiplayer escape room up to four people.
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Come on I can't say it enough if you like puzzle games and you like co-op gaming.
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Rooms of reality is one of the biggest sleepers of the year dude for is so freaking good, but again, if you don't like escape room and puzzles, that's why run for the hills?
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yeah, and you could play a single player, but it's not a single player game, it's a co-op game far exceeded any expectation I had going into it.
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We only played it two people, but it goes up to four, so you can have a group up to four doing this, and it requires cooperation and instances from all parties involved.
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Yes, it does.
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Great team building.
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It wasn't on my list to bring up, but dude.
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The phasing out of App Lab is happening as up, but dude the phasing out of app lab is happening, you know, as we mentioned agent simulator, that's on app lab.
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We're talking about ribbit.
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What phasing out of app?
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Lab you're booing to yes, not, not agent simulator.
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You're booing about uh, I already, but agent simulator already said I praised yeah, yeah, uh, app lab we talked about last week.
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It's phasing out and it's happening in a multi-step process.
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Well, it's funny because they're going to hit a point in the phasing out and I talked about this last week where, like, all right, this is where we needed to be, let's stop the phasing out.
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But then they're going to continue to phase out.
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The first step in the correct direction, I'll say, is now, when you visit a game on App Lab, like Rooms app lab, like rooms of reality or agent simulator, there's no longer the pop-up warning window window.
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There is still message on the app page, like in writing, you know, under the name and stuff saying it's an app lab game, but there's no longer an extruse, intrusive, virus-esque pop-up warning.
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You know, I could totally see a new user being like whoa, whoa, whoa.
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I'm not supposed to be on this page, you know.
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So now you go to App Lab page, it's just like visiting any other store page and then pretty soon you're going to be able to browse App Lab games like on an App Lab button in the store page.
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So once we have those two things, let's stop there.
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No more phasing out.
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Yeah, but they're not going to though.
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I no more phasing out.
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They're not going to, though I know it's going to be completely phased out.
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They're going to steam.
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This shit is what they're going to do.
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But if the App Lab games can get.
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Does that mean we can get Poke my Boobies?
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If the app I saw that show up in my Steam?
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I was searching for VR games and dude, I'm just going to say it's like we've j stuff.
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There's some, no, like real porn.
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I don't even and you know I don't censor, right, but I can't even talk about some of the shit that's available yeah, dude characters getting peed on and stuff.
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It's like why is this coming up on my in the steam vr section?
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It's not anything I own on steam relating to that.
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Trust me on that.
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They want you to buy it.
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Yeah, and here's the thing.
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We were talking about rooms of reality in the discord the other week or the other day and I brought up the first ever interview we did on rough talk vr, which was for rodent people origins yes which can no longer be purchased on the store.
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It's kind of out of date, yeah I think it needs to be updated.
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Yeah, it was never being updated.
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No, but it was.
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It was a really good, enjoyable experience.
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I loved it for its time.
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It was a janky, fun co-op escape room and I went to search it and of course it didn't come up because it's not, it's gone.
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It's gone.
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I can.
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We can still play it because it's in our library, though, yes, just new people can't download it unless it gets updated.
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So I type in rodent people, origins and it's just like 10 gorilla tag clones, all rated like 1.5 stars, coming up and I was instantly like nope, let's go back.
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I miss it.
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I missed the old way.
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Yeah, let's have a bit more curation.
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So it begins.
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So I mean side, mean SideQuest.
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I remember when SideQuest banned Gorilla Tag Clones, they said no more Gorilla Tag Clones, sidequest.
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They're supposed to let everybody on.
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They're like this is too much.
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So if I'm searching apps and all I get is a bunch of Gorilla Tag Clones, I'm going to start to get annoyed.
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In the other direction, it's going to feel like SteamVR, you know.
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There's just just like in the restaurant industry.
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There's restaurants that are really just like a thorn in everyone else's side because they should go out of business, but they keep protecting themselves and so it takes a little from everyone else.
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It's like when these floodgates open and I I mentioned it a week ago it's gonna get so much harder for that indie dev to like how are you gonna get your game?
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notice now it's like what they do in app lab is great it you know I get some people don't like it, whatever, but it works to get your game discoverable if you're willing to invest the marketing time, just like when you showed me the screenshot of all the gorilla tag shit for searching rodent people origins dude?
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Well, yeah, because you know some, some developers put keywords, so keywords that aren't true and yeah, you have a shooter game.
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You type in beat saber for a keyword yeah it's like what are we doing here?
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yeah, but I mean, I get it.
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You're trying to trick the algorithm I get it, I know, I just don't like it, dude.
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I just I feel bad for the, the, the, the teams that are small and don't have that marketing budget, which we know in itself is a problem right now and now they're just going to be surrounded by all and you're so you're going to be in the middle of all these, all these games, I mean no, my sympathy goes out, man, but I'm hoping that phase two is the last phase and someone goes.
