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Welcome to another episode of Rough Talk VR, a weekly podcast with in-depth game reviews, exclusive developer interviews and the latest metaquest and virtual reality news.
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We join our hosts, the father-son team of D Scruffles and Stratus, today as they spend another episode breaking down and discussing the world of virtual reality.
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Hey, welcome to this episode of Rough Talk VR.
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Today we're joining you with an exciting VR news edition for several reasons.
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For one, right when we launched our last episode, boom right away some of the biggest news of the year dropped on Meta's end and also a whole bunch of game updates and, most excitingly, selfishly, we have our PC VR set up.
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Yeah, we got our babies.
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I got my Spooneliaelia yeah, so it's a loaded episode to say.
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At least you actually did name it I sent you the screenshot yep, spoonelia.
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When you're setting up the windows device and they're like what do you want to name it spoonelia?
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That's funny.
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Yeah, I was glad that I had to man.
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I mean a lot of people donated to the cause, but I'd say those two in particular meaning spoon and amelia, probably hit, hit that pavement the hardest.
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So it'll.
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It was one of those situations where the the computers came and we had to clean our rooms.
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We had to make space.
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We were a little under prepared, but we got it all set up quick.
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I rearranged the podcast room on my end, you did some, some setup at your house and yeah mine's in the kitchen dude with the monitor on the table right now, just so I can.
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I can play it and we have successfully booted up pcvr through the oculus app, through air link, like through the oculus store, and also through virtual desktop on steam vr, both instances with really no, no hiccups.
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I mean, we've heard some horror stories about some people's PC VR experiences, but I think for us maybe the most complicated part was getting the drivers of the motherboard set up, which there was a little hiccup for both of us.
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Yeah, what's weird is when I went to the Intel driver helper, whatever.
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It said that you had everything Same with me.
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The only thing it updated was the Bluetooth.
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It's like no, you need Bluetooth.
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I'm like well, what about this driver?
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And it's like no, you already have that.
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So I'm questioning if the hangup on the install it was technically installed.
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It just didn't display that.
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Yeah, no, I had the same impressions, but for actual PC VR and a lot of other people as well, no hiccups.
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I mean we're not using optimized routers, we're both using our default broadband router.
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I have more hiccups with the Meta app than I do using virtual desktop and Steam.
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For me it's been seamless on both ends, but my router, like my computer, is plugged in directly through Ethernet.
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I think your Wi-Fi to your router, yeah you know what's crazy.
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My download speeds on the computer.
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Um, I'm hitting five, six hundred on the low, maybe 280, 300 megabytes per second.
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So I mean technically I exceed the minimum recommend.
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Like I don't even get a warning and I've had no, no glitches or anything.
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I am gonna plug in direct with the, the wire to the pc, but those little wi-fi antennas in the back of the computer do their job, man, because and my router's upstairs go figure that out yeah I'm.
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I'm blown away again.
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Our rigs are good.
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I've had no hiccups, in fact, even last night.
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She's a beautiful one.
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We finally went into Grimm on PC VR for about an hour, you know, wandered around a bit, tried to find each other, died a couple times.
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Got a welcome introduction to the game, Was like, alright, there's so much potential here.
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But I went my computer's upstairs.
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I went downstairs wirelessly connected to my PC and had zero gameplay hiccups no, dude, like I said, I'm, I'm for what I'm putting and asking of the machine to do with where I've got other devices located.
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It shouldn't technically be working as well as it is.
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But since you brought up grim, what'd you think?
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Oh, so much like I Like.
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I said, so much potential, we both died.
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We haven't spent a ton of dude.
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My first experience like full disclosure.
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I walked all around because why not?
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I'm like I know I can build shit and I'll be doing that, you know, at some point.
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But I first want to like feel this planet, because we know it takes place on like Mars.
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And I looked at that sun and I was like holy crap, I, I literally could feel how like the heat of it, the heat of it and if you could breathe out in that environment, just how like hot that air would be, sucking in like you turn your eyes into a pizza oven like geez louise, but I'm, I'm, I'm fucking blown away.
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It's just crazy to me that the technology of it that I'm able to play PC VR wirelessly connected to my computer downstairs across my house and not have hiccups I mean it shows to me that the best solution to having seamless PC VR experience is just overcompensate with your rig.
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Get the best rig possible, you'll have no hiccups.
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Yeah, I think for the money I'm pleased, but the fact that it's doing what I want it to do, which was like full disclosure, it's like what's the first thing you want to do on PC VR?
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For me it was I want to run Grim period.
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There's nothing else that's like obviously I'm going to do on PC VR.
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For me it was I want to run Grim period.
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I don't.
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There's nothing else that's like obviously I'm going to do After the Fall and Hellsweeper and shit and Ghost of.
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Tabor.
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Well, ghost of Tabor was actually one of the tests, but I did that through the the Oculus app.
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Yeah, the Oculus app, because we still own it for gram it was a hundred percent steam and and the fact that I'm able to play that and cocky us that we thought we were gonna bump into each other.
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Well, we weren't.
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We didn't actually think we were going to, but we thought there was kind of a chance and like hell, no, no, we both just went to biodomes.
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We're learning, though yeah I went into a biodome and the first time you played saw a big old furry thing in the background.
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I'm like what's that?
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And then, like an idiot, I'm standing there.
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And then I realize it's a fucking bear and it's full-blown charging at me.
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And here's the thing.
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I was not too far away from the exit, but I'm like is, is he really coming at me, you know?
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And by the time I realized that there was no running away, I started to run and then I got eaten by a bear well, check this.
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I'm in, I'm in a biodome last night and I'm like I'm, I'm looting, I'm doing okay, and then all of a sudden my screen starts turning red around the sides.
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I'm like I have a whole tank of oxygen.
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It's not even draining in the biodome.
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I even say to you I'm like, dude, I'm dying, I'm dying.
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So then, after that, you know, I wander around a little bit more, after I died, of course, and then you know I log off and I'm like how did I die?
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Like I hunger, or something that I couldn't see.
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Now we're getting messages in our discord this morning from Spoon saying you know, spoon messaging us in our discord saying sorry, disgruffles, I may or may not have killed you last night.
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No, there was no may not, I guess.
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There was like nobody in the server, he could probably see who the people in the server was.
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He he knows who he killed.
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He probably has the logs of it.
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Be able to air travel to wherever you want to go.
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Oh man, I got murdered by spoon on my first day, um you know what, but that's the probably the best.
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Get murdered by the creator.
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I'm happy with getting eaten by a bear.
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I'm, you know, full.
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I'm happy you did, because you did that before I went in.
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So then when I went in you were like watch out, when you go in that biodome there's going to be a bear there could be.
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Not all of them.
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I don't think there was a bear there when I went in and you're like, don't let him see you, he's going to a ninja.
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That I was like that bears no joy.
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Obviously you could probably kill it, but not when you first go in.
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Hey, how dark does that freaking planet get at night with the stars?
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stars look beautiful yeah the ambient noise is beautiful and you know it's.
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It's a game in pride, it's not.
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It's not even like there's no, it's just in testing, that's it.
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So it's like there's so much work being done on it.
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It feels very good.
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I'm just pretty stoked to be able to be like.
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You can tell, there's a big learning curve A million percent but I'm just happy that I can be part of seeing the progression unfold at whatever point, normally Like if it jumped to open beta or some shit.
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Now are you just glad to be a part of that.
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Yeah, I don't care if it was just the planet and nothing to do but are you glad to be a part of it, to see the progress, or because now you have a jump start to be a warlord?
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I think it's the latter of the two I know you, I like both yes yes, I get to see all the updates all the time through the progression but yeah, meanwhile I'm going to take over the server?
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I hope so.
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We were already talking about it like oh dude, so wait, what you're building, these biodomes, is that what goes on?
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We're already plotting.
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Yeah, I know 0.1%.
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I know how to walk around.
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Yeah.
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I know how to.
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I've gotten familiar with like okay, there's your inventory.
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Kind of finding shit is obviously crucial, being able to gather shit very crucial knowing the map, you know, man, at least there's that circular road.
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I feel like that circular road's going to become essential for navigating, like knowing where you are yeah, but I'll tell you right now.
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I already know that so what do?
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You think I'm going to do.
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If I have the ability, I'm going to be off that road waiting for motherfuckers to be walking down that road.
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Oh, dude, do you?
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want to Thinking like it's the yellow brick road when we establish our clan, so we have our base.
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Do you want to have people do highway patrol?
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That's not necessarily going to kill people, but we're going to rob you of everything and you better have something on you, Otherwise, well then, you get shot.
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Well, you'd have to have rotating, you'd have to have continuous rotating groups, because you'll run out of oxygen.
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So you're going to have to go back to the biodome to replenish the oxygen.
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There's probably items that let you like breathe.
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I found a space shoe.
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Obviously it didn't do anything with my oxygen depletion, but I'm like, hmm, maybe there's something here that you can find a way to not so much run out of oxygen.
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So far, it's brilliant.
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And it is pretty easy to run to a biodome and refill up, you know.
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So you're asking me my thoughts on it.
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I was like so much potential and also this game's going to be a problem because it's fun and there's such a sandbox of potential for it.
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Yeah, this is no which way or form a game that you think you're going to go in and just like oh, I'll just do an hour, you know it's like no, there's shit you got to Especially with people like me and you with the type of imagination Like you, could give me two pencils and I'll create like a whole.
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You know, my dream would be whole dialogue of them whole story, what it's almost doable just because of all the different time zones, but have it where, like if we can get a group of people together and treat it like the old ircs, where there must be like three or four in there at all times and just a continuous you know build well, you see the rough talk server we have.
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People destroy east coast.
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We have european we have australian.
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We have worldwide baby, so beauty of australia.
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Is somebody working there?
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Is working in our tomorrow that exactly.
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No, we got the shifts coming you're fucking with time, so I think it's brilliant.
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What day did you die on?
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But as I say that there's, there's going to be a multitude of rust players that are already waiting for this to come out, and they're already organized in what they do in my opinion, once that game has the purchasable button, once you can hit buy and download, is really when the news is going to spread like wildfire yeah, that's all right.
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I mean, dude, there's over 8 000 people in the grim discord man.
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Imagine if we that's fucking ridiculous.
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Grim is uh grim.
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Spoon is definitely one of our our bucket list interviews.
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If we, if we, could get him hype up grim a bit I mean not that it needs to be hyped up, just answer the hundred questions we had, because even last night we were like holding back, like shit.
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Do we ask Spoon about this, this, this?
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I try to bug him as little as possible because dude the guy's fingers are on fire.
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You know just programming all day, every day yeah as far as I know, but he's like the interview.
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Unicorn can't find any interviews with Spoon so I'm very happy to report our PC VR experience so far.
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We just pretty much view unicorn.
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Can't find any interviews with spin.
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So I'm very happy to report our pcvr experience so far.
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We just pretty much set it up, played a couple like an hour together.
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Two hours on pcvr haven't really like dove in gaming wise too much, but performance wise we've been able to set it up and have open it, run it, play with no hiccups.
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So so we're doing good.
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I'm happy.
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The future is bright.
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And then I referenced at the start that this loaded episode because our PC VR and then also one of the things I referenced was that at the start of last week, the same day our episode dropped, the biggest news of the year, arguably on MetaQuest side.
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On the Meta side comes out that Zuckerberg put out a video announcing that they're renaming the Meta operating system for the MetaQuest to Meta Horizon Operating System OS and it's going to be available to other third-party headsets.
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In fact, there's already other headsets in the works from companies such as Lenovo, asus, which are going to be their own headsets running the MetaQuest or the MetaHorizon operating system, and then there's also going to be a limited edition Xbox-branded MetaQuest headset as well, and it's going to be available for other third-party companies, not announced yet.
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And you know, zuck was like talking about specific uk use cases for each one, like there could be a, a lightweight fitness one, one made more specifically for media viewing, the xbox one.
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Maybe it comes with, you know, just xbox controllers out of the box, but it all runs on that meta horizon operating system.
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So that's huge.
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You know, the Meta opening up their operating system ecosystem and expanding it to other devices.
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That makes it easier for other hardware developers to get into the business.
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They only have to develop the hardware side, then the operating system is already done, already being updated and worked on.
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And then also part of that news was that they're phasing out App Lab in multiple steps, which we'll talk some opinions on that.
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But App Lab is going away.
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It's going to be in a multiple phase process, with the first phase happening later this year where you're going to be able to browse App Lab games directly on the store.
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So you go onto the store page.
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There's going to be an App Lab section that you can go and browse, which we've long advocated for, instead of just needing to search the game.
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So that's going to be phase one and then phase two, which is going to happen later this year, will be the complete phasing out of App Lab and the App Lab requirements and policies integrated into the official store.
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So basically, no more heavy curation, no more how do I get on the store?
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Pretty much to get on the official store is going to be like how you get on App Lab currently.
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So that was, that was huge news.
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The operating system is going to go to other devices which are already in the works and App Lab is going away.
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So pretty big stuff.
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Yeah, it's huge news yeah, I know we were talking a little off air, but I just want to circle back to the first.
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First thing, before we jump on the app lab thing.
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I I think meta doing what they're doing was part of their bigger plan.
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Anyways, as part of the metaverse to be able to, they've established themselves at what they've done.
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And then you look at the companies that they're although I have concern over lenovo we'll just base off some computer institute laptop two for two with laptop failure.
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I'm just saying we'll save that for another rant.
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Un-fucking-believable so it scares me that they're in it because I know they make a good product.
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But whether or not it breaks or not is another fucking problem.
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When you see that headset 50% off, don't buy it.
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But Asus is legit.
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Yeah, no, don't for real.
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I'm just being honest as a consumer.
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Yeah, we've had two bad Lenovo, two for two, and they're great computers when they're working, but anyways.
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I think it was initially part of their bigger plan for the metaverse and essentially their bigger plan for the the metaverse and essentially integrating yourself into all these other companies.
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You're just established yourself even further as the, the leader, the leader in the operating system leader.
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So it's, it's genius.
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But the app lab thing, I'm mixed on it, dude.
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I think app lab is brilliant.
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I love the way they have it, adding the search button that's to the store was the only.
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Thing that we've said since app lab started was and we talked to chris pruitt, we got a really good he's actually the reason that I'm not 100 convinced on getting rid of app lab.
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But he, this mofo, sold me on it.
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He really educated to like why they don't do that and it made sense.
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So we, I had even said after that interview I said you'll never hear me complain again about not having a button on the, but go browse steam vr, they, they, they now will add the button.
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And then I agree with I think you said off air when we were talking is like that's where it should stop, you know, and still have app lab and so I don't know what's really going to happen well, there's two things that I think app lab needed exactly that a section on the app, on the store page, to just view app lab games which, boom, it's getting for a little bit before it fully goes away.
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So that was needed.
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And then, honestly, it just really needed more transparent requirements to advance to the official store so developers could plan appropriately and game plan to update or hit those benchmarks or those milestones.
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The biggest issues was the lack of visibility and the unclear requirements for curation.
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If you could define the requirements and you could add the you know the, the visibility to it, there's no reason to get rid of it.
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It's actually good to have that bit of curation.
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I I said I snuck in.
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You know, go view steam vr, you go browse the steam vr section or even the steam store in general.
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It's a hard, hard market to get any type of visibility and sometimes the games that get visibility is just weird.
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It's, you know, bunch of porn games on the vr section no, I've had steam for over 20 years, but I'll be the first to admit it, it sucks in that department for visibility, but it also has worked you know amazingly well like manner lords for for yeah, I mean in the mix, but you just, man, you gotta scroll through fucking so much bullshit to find unless you know, just like app lab, unless you know exactly what you're looking for.
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But like, if I want to just search by genre or something, it's like, come on but, you want anime porn.
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I mean steams, the place man, so I don't I don't know, that's your thing.
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I'm the operating system news amazing app lab.
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I would have liked to see just more reworkings and development on, versus completely well, my concern is like, since the VR space, you know the majority, it's indie devs, right, and they already struggle enough with their ability to make games and now it's become more of a competitive space as well and the marketing aspect is huge.
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You know, I joked.
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I'm like PR companies are going to cash cow this till the cows come home, because it's going to be so much more difficult to me to get your game marketed for the store versus, you know, being on App Lab and it being very select and so we'll see.
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Especially when you look at how games have started to use App Lab for early access and open beta and stuff like that, it's like I don't know if we should be getting rid of the system versus reworking it.
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It's not broke, you know, definitely not.
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But I just think it needed think, it needed love and tender, it needed care, it needed some reworking it just needed a button.
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It needed some changes not to get rid of.
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People could click on and be brought to it.
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But hey, not for nothing.
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At first I didn't like the App Lab curation and then I became sold on it.
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Maybe I'll end up getting sold on the other way.
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I'm just speaking my initial it.
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Maybe I'll end up getting sold on the other way.
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I'm just speaking.
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My initial there's no choice.
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Yeah, I'll come around to an event when I'm used to stop supporting app web devs or we're go with the flow, but we know we're not going to not support.
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So as of right now.
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This is that's my initial initial feel on it.
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Uh for sure, but still big stuff.
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You know, the operating system news is is huge, to say the least, and beyond that, they threw some shots at Google too, where they said that Deservingly though they're working on.
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Google took shots at them.
